Casting out demons 2000 years ago was a lot more elementary and certainly less complicated than what believers have to contend with today. For as the world evolved from an agricultural to an industrial society, so have demons and devils adjusted to the ever-increasing sophistication of modern times. For example, with the advent of the telephone, who would have thought that it could be used to cast out devils? I certainly never considered it until spontaneously, I was compelled to do so and then was shocked when it actually worked!
I believe the year was 2002 when I received a phone call from Doris Wagner, the author of “How to Cast Out Demons” and the wife of one of the well-known evangelical leaders, Dr. Peter Wagner of the Fuller Theological Seminary Institute of Church Growth in Colorado. I had requested that Doris write a review of my first book, “To the Curse the Root,” and she did so. A few years later, she called me on the phone with a request that I conduct a deliverance of a minister who lived in my state. At the time, she could locate only two deliverance workers in NY, one in Buffalo and myself.
The minister in question who I’ll simply call, “Rev,” had obtained Doris’s book because he needed to be set free from a demon. Prepared to fly from NY to Colorado, Rev was desperate. Too busy to handle his case, Doris did a search on the web to find someone from his home state and I was the only one online that she could find in New York, besides the man in Buffalo, who did not return her call. So, “I was all she wrote.”
A day or so later, Rev. called me. In short, he was too suspicious of me to travel the 3 hours to my city and that same suspicion would not allow him to accept my invitation to travel to him. So, exasperated with this demon, I simply commanded it to come out of him over the telephone, and I was as shocked as Rev. was. He was immediately delivered over the airways.
Pompous and proud, a bona-fide mega preacher wannabee, the “Rev” boastfully said to me, “Pam, when I get big, I’ll look out for you.” I guess he never got big because that was 110 years ago, and I have not heard from him yet! The truth of the matter, with such a proud spirit, I would not be surprised to hear that demons have re-infested him, in one way or the other.
So I know you are wondering how “Mr. Big” became demonized in the first place! A single man, the Rev had been sleeping with one of the single women who was a member of the congregation that he pastored. His girlfriend was the leader of the church’s “deliverance team.” On the night that the Rev. was demonized, his girlfriend and the rest of the team were in the church building, casting out demons from someone— when the demons turned on them, very much like is recorded in the book of Acts concerning the sons of Sceva. The demon or demons in the captive used the captive’s body to jump on the members of the deliverance team and “conduct a beat down”.
The girlfriend frantically ran to the telephone—-check this out–and called Rev.
He had been in a deep, coma like sleep and he woke up and picked up the phone, only to hear his girlfriend screaming in fright. Not fully understanding what was going on, all of a sudden, he saw something that he described as “a silver ball like thing,” rolling like a bowling ball down his alley and entered into his chest. Until he contacted Doris and then me, he had been possessed with a spirit of fear for about 6 weeks. He was afraid to come out of his house, and preaching from his pulpit was particularly challenging, to say the least. The fear was so debilitating, that he was anxious to fly to Colorado from NY for Doris Wagner to set him free.
When I suggested that he travel to me, a distance of about 3 hours by bus, train or car, he refused. He was too fearful for that. He could take a plane because he could sit down in the seat and close his eyes. But he could not handle any other kind of transportation. There is a flight from his city to mine, that takes about 45 minutes but we never thought of that at the time. So I offered to travel to New York City but the Rev refused because he was both fearful and suspicious of me, for I was in no way as noteworthy as Doris Wagner. So while he was speaking, the Holy Ghost moved on me and I commanded the spirit to come out of him.
It did so immediately.
This may seem like a simple deliverance success story. However, it is not. There is much more to it than meets the eye. So what am I suggesting about this incident?
Rev. was not saved, his girlfriend was not saved, and the demons had taken over the entire sanctuary. If I had travelled to him and attempted to conduct the deliverance in the Rev’s church, I suspect that the demon would NOT have come out of him.
Thank God for the telephone and thank God for Mr. Alexander Graham Bell.
Those who practice Deliverance 101 would boast, “Oh, this case is elementary. Rev. and his girlfriend were committing the sin of fornication, so they became vulnerable to demons. Sins gives ground to the devil. They put themselves in harm’s way by trying to cast out demons from people. Case closed. Simple.
No, it is not so simple. For there is MORE! This one case did more than just reveal to me that demons can be cast out over the telephone. When I revisit the experience today, I can apply what 10 additional years under my belt have taught me. My experience with “the Rev” confirms what I have suspected for the last five years–a revelatory question that led me to write 4 books: Faces of the Religious Demon, Come Out of Her God’s People, the New Idolatry and the recently released e-book, Be Delivered From Deliverance Ministry.
So here goes, the question.
Have religious devils already taken over the pulpits throughout the entire organized church, perhaps the entire nation, perhaps worldwide?
I suggest to you an emphatic “yes!!!!”